You could just solve the bombing problem by making them decloak each other again under 2k and put the actual skill back in being a bomber FC and pilot. It would remedy so many of the issues you're trying to solve.

Uh what. I don't understand what you mean with stopping bubbles and slippery petes - They're bubble immune. This change will make them harder to catch(?) and thus making everyone fly them. The only counter to slippery petes are combat probing and landing right ontop of them with scrams. Y'know, the very thing you just made harder.

Do you guys even play this game?

Guys, I don't wanna be pessimistic but it seems you are changing stuff just to change stuff, rather then adds anything interesting.

I don't see anything good in the new warp change: especially in small gang fleets, will be just very annoying.
You want to encourage individual player partecipation, but you will obtain opposite effect: "new fleet warp will discourage individual player participation. And discurage fleets in general, because it will be quite annoying to Fc and to new pilots".

First the new (bad) icons, now this stupid warp change. From my point of view, you are working very hard to kill Eve.

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We have different definitions of "engagement" then. To me, "engagement" means something that is fun, draws my interest, engages me. Your definition seems to be something that makes players do something, even if it's as mundane, uninteresting, and tedious as "wait for FC to tell me to click button" which coincidentally sounds a LOT like what null blob F1 warfare is.

To quote The Big Lebowski, "You're killing your father, Larry."

Sorry, Larrikin. You are still off the mark. We have tried to tell you any number of things to make Eve a better, more engaging game. 90+ pages of feedback (although admittedly about 43 pages of that was Baltec trolling).

The challenge in Eve needs to come from the opposing players, not making it harder and more tedious to do basic things in game.

Listen to Reagalan, Arrendis, Alexis Nightwish, Altrue, etc. These people actually know a thing or two about playing Eve in the current environment. They are not blinded by contempt for the average Eve player.

We all would love to see changes that make Eve more exciting - less tedious. Changes that make Eve more fun to play - less of a chore. Your changes are not achieving that goal.

It takes a very big man to admit that he is wrong. No one will think less of you if you come up with a better solution than this halfhearted concession, which does not even come close to addressing the heart of the matter.

As I said before, you want to increase participation... What is the difference between fleet warping the fleet to a scout and fleet warping the fleet to a bookmark? How is that anything other than a tedious, nonsensical role? I've already mastered the art of sitting cloaked 200km off a gate to act as a bookmark.

How is your goal better than making fleets a maximum of fifty players? And or just making it so you can only squad warp. Each of those changes requires many more highly engaged players than your proposal. The former drastically changes the makeup and composition of every large fleet - in a positive direction. It automatically makes Logistics less powerful in large fleets, without huge nerfs to them as a ship class.

How do your changes make sniper doctrines, apart from Slippery Petes, more viable?

How is making each fleet operation take longer to move from Point A to Point B make the game more engaging? I already have to budget 3-4 hours for a single strategic operation, which may or may not result in a fight. That doesn't count the time I spent preparing as an FC.

To paraphrase Altrue, "make the game more fun to play." Not more time-consuming. Not more tedious.

Talk for your self, i'm sure pilots willing to do this role and enjoying it exist.

In small gang fleets pilots are autonomous and generally good solo pilots they can take care of themselves and warp individually to broadcasted bms or their own ones.

Large, organised blocs adapt to every change better than the disorganized and solo/small. Making the game ever easier is not a good thing, if you want brainless gameplay there are countless other games out there. It about time CCP added more challenges rather than take them away.

No. A game should reward you for being smart of punish you for being dumb. Idiots should not be protected from their own actions.

Nobody is forcing people to use alts, get dedicated pilots to do the job.

Sure there is, it gives them another job other than being an F1 monkey.

It was fun and enjoyable to be a fleet scout back when we had no fleet commands at all. Its good to be bringing back content we have lost over the years in the name of catering to the lowest bar of player laziness.

I know people who have quitted eve because off changes ccp have made, so never say never. if eve become a too big pain in the ass, (like becoming more work) ... etc. you know. then I understand if people quit/unsub'etc.